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162

COP30 in Belém: Is the Climate Process Still Working?

December 3, 2025
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In this episode of The 360 on Energy and Carbon, Dave Arkell, John Pooley, and Lysandra Naom dig into COP30 in Belém, Brazil, and ask a blunt question: is the COP process still delivering real climate action, or just more diplomatic noise? The team walks through what COP30 actually is, who shows up, and what 55,000 delegates plus 70,000 protesters tell us about the scale, cost, and politics of global climate negotiations.

They unpack the tug-of-war over a fossil fuel “roadmap,” why countries most dependent on fossil revenue are resisting prescriptive language, and how that shapes the final text. The conversation also highlights underreported angles from this COP: the exclusion of military emissions from national targets, a new push on gender and inclusion, and mounting concern over weaponized climate disinformation.

From there, the hosts zoom out. They talk about the near-total lack of media coverage, the political incentives that drive (or block) climate policy, and what actually motivates governments to move – economics, crisis, public pressure, or competition. China’s recent emissions trend, the forgotten role of energy efficiency, and the need for energy literacy all come into focus as they weigh whether businesses and countries can afford to wait for COP decisions before acting.

Whether you follow every COP decision or just see the occasional headline, this episode gives a clear-eyed, practical view of what COP30 means for climate action, energy costs, and the path forward.

Highlights

  • Introduction of Envirally, an AI-powered platform for energy and emissions data management.
  • COP30 had over 55,000 delegates and 70,000 protesters, showcasing broad engagement.
  • Two-fifths of countries supported a fossil fuel roadmap despite producing only 7% of global fossil fuels.
  • Gender issues and military emissions exclusion became notable sideline topics at COP30.
  • UN Climate Executive Secretary highlights disinformation as a major barrier to climate progress.
  • China’s CO2 emissions flattened or declined recently due to renewable energy investments.
  • The urgent need to move from planning to implementation and measurable climate action.

Key Insights

  • The scale and complexity of COP30 – with tens of thousands of delegates and huge volumes of agenda items and documents – shows how its size slows decisions and highlights the challenge of managing global climate governance.
  • Support for a fossil-fuel roadmap from a minority of mainly producing countries reveals geopolitical power struggles, as these nations try to shape the pace of transition and protect economic interests, complicating global agreement.
  • COP30 decision texts rely heavily on passive, non-binding language, reflecting political compromise but reducing urgency and making outcomes more symbolic than actionable.
  • Excluding military emissions – potentially up to 5% of global totals – from national reporting weakens transparency and accuracy, creating a major gap in global mitigation efforts.
  • Disinformation skews public understanding and political debates, diverting blame from fossil fuels and slowing climate action by creating confusion and division.
  • China’s recent emissions plateau shows how economic incentives and major investments in clean energy can drive reductions without sacrificing growth.
  • After decades of negotiation, the priority must shift from planning to implementation; without real accountability and follow-through, COP30 risks repeating the same discussions with limited impact.
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